• what if biden dies

    From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to All on Mon Nov 20 20:05:13 2023
    So what do you guys think would happen if biden dies before the election?
    do you think kamala would take over? she's not smart enough for the job, but neither was biden. if she was smart she would say no. maybe she would just
    be a younger puppet.

    Next dude in line after her is mike johnson and he's a republican so democrats wouldn't want that.

    I'm going to be so surpised if biden actually survives and then RUNS again.
    I'm thinking biden will tap out at the last minute and they'll have a golden boy run for him. There won't be enough time to get dirt on him. then we'll have a crisis and he will end up looking good for a short time and democrats will vote for him and then cheat again as well.

    So i'm pretty sure one of these 2 things will happen. i know they are pumping biden full of a drug cocktail. i've seen him get the dementia angry spells lately too. dude is saying odd shit every time he talks. he's falling all the time.

    what the hell. get me off this planet.
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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to MRO on Mon Nov 20 19:15:00 2023
    So what do you guys think would happen if biden dies before the election? do you think kamala would take over? she's not smart enough for the job, but neither was biden. if she was smart she would say no. maybe she would just be a younger puppet.

    I mean... yes - I think she would take over and do a similar job as Biden has... but she would certainly lose ANY re-election.

    To be perfectly honest, I wish we had two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT options than Biden v Trump... I wish Biden would step aside already [freaking 10 months ago!] and push someone very strong. Not the CA gov, not RFK... Obama, Clinton - someone the young ppl and dems can get behind.

    And I wish Amerikkka would see that Trump was a joke the 1st time - and really isn't a great choice now. He's going to come in hot and heavy and give it 111% the entire 4 years - he's going to press things in ways we've never seen and if I were in his position I would too - but it isn't going to be great for America.

    I think we'll see another Biden v Trump, tho - and I think if the dems get voting like they did in the last they have a good shot... and if Amerikkka is pissed enough that we put Trump in again; hold on.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to paulie420 on Mon Nov 20 22:53:58 2023
    Re: Re: what if biden dies
    By: paulie420 to MRO on Mon Nov 20 2023 07:15 pm


    And I wish Amerikkka would see that Trump was a joke the 1st time - and really isn't a great choice now. He's going to come in hot and heavy and give it 111% the entire 4 years - he's going to press things in ways we've never seen and if I were in his position I would too - but it isn't going to be great for America.


    Actually I was surprised about what a great job he did. He was an outsider and made great improvements. his problem was his mouth. he trolled his way to the white house and he continued to troll. now he's different. he's cooled his jets while destroying his enemies since he lost the election. He literally does not stop. He has been traveling just about every week making sure his enemies do not get re-elected and it's working.

    Trump showed that an outsider can do a much better job than career politicians. He did what obama thought was impossible, more than once.

    Trump knows how to deal with people and he knows how to run the country.
    We had no wars under trump. With everyone else we had wars.

    Furthermore, trump exposed how the media controls us and how pharm companies buy our politicians. he literally called people out about it to their face while standing infront of thousands.

    Dude's a force of nature. He doesn't drink or smoke. he sleeps a few hrs a night and eats junk food all day. Trump terrifies his enemies.
    They can't even shut up about him after he is gone. He's dancing around in their heads to this day.

    Not only that, Trump is the most tech savvy president EVER. Dude had burner phones to get on twitter after they took his phone away. Biden has like 5 people who have been named who post as him on social media. With Trump, that was that motherfucker doing it all.

    I don't even believe obama and his 'I can't live without my blackberry' story.


    Right now polls show that trump has great numbers. Nobody is happy with biden. We really don't have anybody else that are good candidates for the next election.

    I think our entire system needs to be gutted and redone. we need term limits for all positions in the govt. There's a lot of corruption. People that make 125-150k a year are fucking multimillionares.

    I think we should take all the politicians and hang them. They're total garbage.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to MRO on Tue Nov 21 07:26:00 2023
    MRO wrote to paulie420 <=-

    Actually I was surprised about what a great job he did.

    Tax cuts for the rich? Dialing in tax increases for the middle class
    over the next several years? Increasing the debt by 8 trillion dollars?
    Mishandling covid? Inciting a resurrection? Being impeached twice?

    Please clarify.




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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Nov 22 03:29:36 2023
    Re: Re: what if biden dies
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Tue Nov 21 2023 07:26 am

    MRO wrote to paulie420 <=-

    Actually I was surprised about what a great job he did.

    Tax cuts for the rich? Dialing in tax increases for the middle class
    over the next several years? Increasing the debt by 8 trillion dollars?
    Mishandling covid? Inciting a resurrection? Being impeached twice?

    Please clarify.


    first off, lets point out that you are the dumbass who voted for biden.
    and now you're talking about trump tax increases and increasing debt.
    and mishandling covid.

    i am paying less taxes thanks to trump and the govt is taking less of my money each year that is essentially an interest free loan.

    what is the correct way to handle covid? we never dealt with anything like it before. he did what the experts told him to do. that's all he could have done.
    people are fools.

    The only thing we could have done to combat covid is to eliminate travel and let it run its course. nothing we did or could have done would have made any difference.

    futhermore, this 'insurrection' is laughable. it was essentially a guided tour with permission.

    i WISH there was in insurrection. there was not. and trump did not incite anything. we have a right to peaceful protesting.

    They could impeach him 1000 times. they would never have anything that stuck.

    So, why were you an idiot that voted for a racist, senile man who can be bought?
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Wed Nov 22 09:45:00 2023
    The only thing we could have done to combat covid is to eliminate travel and let it run its course. nothing we did or could have done would have made any fference.

    Which he suggested, but politicians of a certain party cried foul and would
    not let him.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Wed Nov 22 09:45:00 2023
    Inciting a resurrection?

    Wait? Trump caused Jesus to come back?!?


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  • From Nopants@VERT/CITBBS to MRO on Wed Nov 22 15:46:00 2023
    Re: what if biden dies
    By: MRO to All on Mon Nov 20 2023 08:05 pm

    what the hell. get me off this planet.

    The future is bright!

    https://imgur.com/9RbNYS3

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Wed Nov 22 18:46:29 2023
    Re: Re: what if biden dies
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Wed Nov 22 2023 09:45 am

    The only thing we could have done to combat covid is to eliminate travel and let it run its course. nothing we did or could have done would have made any fference.

    Which he suggested, but politicians of a certain party cried foul and would not let him.



    yeah they called him a racist for suggesting it.

    regardless, covid was here sooner than we thought. I'm pretty sure it was
    here the previous year in oct-nov-dec. My friend got it in december and he was almost fired. We had a guy who died in early december. We're pretty sure he had it.

    usa and the rest of the world did not have an established gameplan for a pandemic despite having the swine flu and bird flu.

    So what Kurt said was basically the usual liberal mindless parroting with no facts. And then he's saying trump gave tax cuts to evil corporations. liberals think all companies are evil. where would we be without places to work?
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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to MRO on Thu Nov 23 08:01:00 2023
    MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    first off, lets point out that you are the dumbass who voted for biden. and now you're talking about trump tax increases and increasing debt.
    and mishandling covid.

    The Ignorant Elitists have no self-awareness.

    what is the correct way to handle covid?

    By not letting the gov't get involved. Everything, without exception, that they did failed.

    we never dealt with anything like it before.

    That's because 100% of what we were told about COVID was a lie.

    he did what the experts told him to do. that's all he
    could have done. people are fools.

    We were fools. We now see that the "experts" aren't.

    Fool me once, shame on you.
    Fool me twice, shame on me.

    So, why were you an idiot that voted for a racist, senile man who can
    be bought?

    Because he's an Ignorant Elitists who can't think for himself and only does what his masters say.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to Dumas Walker on Thu Nov 23 08:03:00 2023
    Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

    Inciting a resurrection?

    Wait? Trump caused Jesus to come back?!?

    Hallelujah!

    Praise the Lord
    And pass the ammunition

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUOPvtVZwo8


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to Nopants on Thu Nov 23 08:04:00 2023
    Nopants wrote to MRO <=-

    what the hell. get me off this planet.

    The future is bright!

    So bright we gotta wear shades.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qrriKcwvlY


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Thu Nov 23 08:33:32 2023
    Re: Re: what if biden dies
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Thu Nov 23 2023 08:01 am


    what is the correct way to handle covid?

    By not letting the gov't get involved. Everything, without exception, that they did failed.


    everything people did failed too. we all went to home depot and walmart
    500% more.


    if we would have eliminated international travel it would have made a huge difference.

    That being said people were traveling all over to other states and spreading it.

    The woman i live with couldnt stop herself from going to see her family once a week in another state even though everyone thought covid was the plague.

    we basically have no plan in place to stop the spread of a contagious disease. we still do not.

    there were some smart experts who said right away that peopel should all stick at home for 2 weeks and have covid starve out. then spend money on sending people covid tests and do contact tracing. they were canceled.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Nov 23 13:39:23 2023
    Re: Re: what if biden dies
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Tue Nov 21 2023 07:26 am

    MRO wrote to paulie420 <=-

    Actually I was surprised about what a great job he did.

    Tax cuts for the rich? Dialing in tax increases for the middle class
    over the next several years? Increasing the debt by 8 trillion dollars?
    Mishandling covid? Inciting a resurrection? Being impeached twice?

    Please clarify.


    First of all, in the global scheme of things, people who BBS from a comfy armchair are The Rich TM because they are already more wealthy than 90% of the world's population.

    I say this because a lot of people who are actually rich elites like to portraythemselves as poor, working class people, then vote against the interests of
    wealthy people and get surprised when it bites them in the ass.

    The only thing I am gonna add is that I have friends who used to own a home andeat three times a day during the Trump administration and no longer do in the
    current one.

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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to Arelor on Thu Nov 23 22:03:40 2023
    Re: Re: what if biden dies
    By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Thu Nov 23 2023 01:39 pm

    The only thing I am gonna add is that I have friends who used to own a home andeat three times a day during the Trump administration and no longer do in the
    current one.

    True! I was actually putting money in my savings account during the Trump admin...

    Now I have to take it back out every month just to pay my bills... Thanks O'Biden...

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Fri Nov 24 00:23:00 2023
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Thursday 23.11.23 - 13:39, Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:

    The only thing I am gonna add is that I have friends who
    used to own a home andeat three times a day during the
    Trump administration and no longer do in the current one.

    Increase in food prices and a housing crisis is the same in
    many countries despite who the leaders are.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to MRO on Fri Nov 24 07:31:00 2023
    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    everything people did failed too. we all went to home depot and
    walmart 500% more.

    You are assuming that the gov't Narrative was correct. It wasn't.

    if we would have eliminated international travel it would have made a
    huge difference.

    No it wouldn't have.

    That being said people were traveling all over to other states and spreading it.

    Spreading a disease that was so bad that you needed to be tested to see if you had it. A disease with a 98% recovery rate.

    we basically have no plan in place to stop the spread of a contagious disease. we still do not.

    That's because we don't need it and never did.

    there were some smart experts who said right away that peopel should
    all stick at home for 2 weeks and have covid starve out. then spend
    money on sending people covid tests and do contact tracing. they were canceled. ---

    Many actual experts were canceled. More proof of how the gov't Narrative was false.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Bf2k+ on Fri Nov 24 09:36:16 2023
    Re: Re: what if biden dies
    By: Bf2k+ to Arelor on Thu Nov 23 2023 10:03 pm

    True! I was actually putting money in my savings account during the Trump admin...

    Now I have to take it back out every month just to pay my bills... Thanks O'Biden...

    yeah i have been doing that AND using my credit cards more.
    things were great with trump.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Fri Nov 24 09:36:51 2023
    Re: what if biden dies
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Nov 24 2023 12:23 am

    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Thursday 23.11.23 - 13:39, Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:

    The only thing I am gonna add is that I have friends who
    used to own a home andeat three times a day during the
    Trump administration and no longer do in the current one.

    Increase in food prices and a housing crisis is the same in
    many countries despite who the leaders are.

    united states is different. when we sneeze you catch a cold.
    we set the pace.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Fri Nov 24 09:40:27 2023
    Re: Re: what if biden dies
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Fri Nov 24 2023 07:31 am


    everything people did failed too. we all went to home depot and walmart 500% more.

    You are assuming that the gov't Narrative was correct. It wasn't.

    what?



    if we would have eliminated international travel it would have made a huge difference.

    No it wouldn't have.

    it absolutely would have. it wouldn't have spread coast to coast if ther
    were no international travel.


    Spreading a disease that was so bad that you needed to be tested to see if you had it. A disease with a 98% recovery rate.


    it killed my mother and her sister. it killed people i worked with.
    they wouldn't have died anyways. women in my family live into their mid 80s-90s. my mom died at 62

    we still dont know enough about this man made virus.
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Ogg on Sat Nov 25 05:17:34 2023
    Re: what if biden dies
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Fri Nov 24 2023 12:23 am

    Increase in food prices and a housing crisis is the same in
    many countries despite who the leaders are.

    Maybe. Blame Nixon for dropping the gold standard, I guess.


    The politicians that messed up the Minsk accords and accelerated the Ukrainian crisis also have names so you can blame them too if you will.

    Spain is degrading quite fast and I have friends in IT industries that used to be quite well funded get sacked in layoffs and then have to settle for lessersjobs. However, degradation of US conditions seems meteorical in comparison fromhere.

    It is not The World going to hell, it is The West. I was scanning the stocks exchanges for new values to put my savings into earlier this week and it turns out lots of companies that are actually good value are getting bought en-masse by non-Western powers. This is a sign that Western powers are not strong anymore... when you are strong you buy other people's firms for cheap and make money from them. When you are weak you sell your companies because you need thecash now. Western exchanges have lots of stocvks that look shinny but when you
    look closer they have lame fundamentals and are objetively overprized, and those are the ones we are left stranded with.

    I agree the current situation does not have a single responsible party, but theadministration in power at a given moment in time is responsible for handling
    it and deserves all the blame it gets when they do a lousy job dealing with theaftermaths or defending the set of past policies that tooks us to bad
    situation.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/THEGATEB to MRO on Sat Nov 25 08:04:00 2023
    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    You are assuming that the gov't Narrative was correct. It wasn't.

    what?

    Have you been living under a rock? Or just listening only to the Propaganda Ministry?

    it absolutely would have. it wouldn't have spread coast to coast if
    ther were no international travel.

    No, it wouldn't. There were already "cases" here before they even thought to shut down travel. You don't close the barn doors after the horses have left.

    But it didn't matter anyway. COVID was a nothing-burger and the only impact it had was through bad gov't decisions and hospital mis-treatment.

    it killed my mother and her sister.

    No, it probably didn't.

    it killed people i worked with.

    No, it probably didn't either.

    The vast majority of people who died "from" COVID actually died "with" COVID, not from it. And usually through hospital mis-treatment and/or poor health to begin with.

    The only way to know that you had "COVID" was to take a test that has an extremely high false positive rate. This was intentional to keep the "case" numbers high and give the Elitists excuses that the sheeple would accept.

    we still dont know enough about this man made virus.

    We know that it has a 98% recovery rate and that it's no worse the common flu.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dr. What on Sat Nov 25 08:15:44 2023
    Re: Re: what if biden dies
    By: Dr. What to MRO on Sat Nov 25 2023 08:04 am

    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    You are assuming that the gov't Narrative was correct. It wasn't.

    what?

    Have you been living under a rock? Or just listening only to the

    Propaganda
    Ministry?

    no i didnt understand what the hell you are saying


    it absolutely would have. it wouldn't have spread coast to coast if ther were no international travel.

    No, it wouldn't. There were already "cases" here before they even

    thought
    to shut down travel. You don't close the barn doors after the horses have left.

    you could have kept people at home and starved it out. stopping travel would have stopped new cases from being introduced.


    it killed my mother and her sister.

    No, it probably didn't.

    you dumb motherfucker.

    it killed people i worked with.

    No, it probably didn't either.

    yes it did.


    The vast majority of people who died "from" COVID actually died "with" COVID, not from it. And usually through hospital mis-treatment and/or poor health to begin with.

    you dont know shit. now who's the conspiracy guy.

    The only way to know that you had "COVID" was to take a test that has an extremely high false positive rate. This was intentional to keep the "case" numbers high and give the Elitists excuses that the sheeple would accept.

    we still dont know enough about this man made virus.

    you are living in another fucking universe.



    we still dont know enough about this man made virus.

    We know that it has a 98% recovery rate and that it's no worse the common flu.

    no we don't know that. especially you.
    you're one delusional retard. i hope someday someone knocks the sense into you.

    i think you are the one living under a rock.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Arelor on Sat Nov 25 20:53:00 2023
    Hello Arelor!

    ** On Saturday 25.11.23 - 05:17, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

    Increase in food prices and a housing crisis is the same in
    many countries despite who the leaders are.

    Maybe. Blame Nixon for dropping the gold standard, I guess.

    that was a odd one. that allowed banks to literally print
    money they do not have.


    The politicians that messed up the Minsk accords and accelerated the Ukrainian crisis also have names so you can blame them too if you will.

    haven't followed how that got messed up.


    Spain is degrading quite fast and I have friends in IT industries that
    used to be quite well funded get sacked in layoffs and then have to
    settle for lessersjobs. However, degradation of US conditions seems meteorical in comparison fromhere.

    but people are losing their jobs everywhere, in many countries.


    It is not The World going to hell, it is The West. I was scanning the stocks exchanges for new values to put my savings into earlier this week and it turns out lots of companies that are actually good value are
    getting bought en-masse by non-Western powers. This is a sign that Western powers are not strong anymore... when you are strong you buy other
    people's firms for cheap and make money from them. When you are weak you sell your companies because you need thecash now.

    are you referring to vulture capitalism? there are other
    strageties to buy-up previous companies, re-branding and make
    the same industry thrive again.


    Western exchanges have lots of stocvks that look shinny but
    when you look closer they have lame fundamentals and are
    objetively overprized, and those are the ones we are left
    stranded with.

    maybe just invest your money into bank stocks, or into the tech
    that is driving AI (gpu manufacturer, for example), or the
    companies that are providing tech for EVs?


    I agree the current situation does not have a single
    responsible party, but theadministration in power at a
    given moment in time is responsible for handling it and
    deserves all the blame it gets when they do a lousy job
    dealing with theaftermaths or defending the set of past
    policies that tooks us to bad situation.

    depends on how long the new or current administration is in
    power. it would be hard for newly elected leadership to deal
    with a previous government's mistakes quickly.
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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Ogg on Sun Nov 26 07:23:06 2023
    Re: what if biden dies
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Sat Nov 25 2023 08:53 pm

    Increase in food prices and a housing crisis is the same in
    many countries despite who the leaders are.

    Maybe. Blame Nixon for dropping the gold standard, I guess.

    that was a odd one. that allowed banks to literally print
    money they do not have.


    once they did that, they took away the power from the people.
    we dont even know whats in fort knox. supposed to be 8k metric tons of gold. it could just be elephant shit in garbage bags for all we know.
    the us dollar is not backed by anything physical. it only means something because we say so.


    depends on how long the new or current administration is in
    power. it would be hard for newly elected leadership to deal
    with a previous government's mistakes quickly.

    in the usa trump wrote a bunch of executive orders. that's how a president gets things done quickly. then when biden took over they gave him a big stack of black envelopes and he undid them all. he didnt even know what he was signing away.
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  • From hollowone@VERT/BEERS20 to Arelor on Sun Nov 26 07:46:00 2023
    It is not The World going to hell, it is The West.

    There is some hidden truth in above. but also I'd say the west is transforming itself toward next era, while Chinese influenced Asia + Russia expands to Africa and South America to promote industrialism as a way to achieve prosperity. West doesn't give a fuck about industrialism as it's already industrialized and benefits products of industrialism for more than 100 years and all the goodies basically invented in XIX are not the way to grow anymore in the West.

    I believe West is more transforming than dying, but time will show.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to MRO on Sun Nov 26 11:20:00 2023
    MRO wrote to Dr. What <=-

    no i didnt understand what the hell you are saying

    Exactly.

    you could have kept people at home and starved it out. stopping travel would have stopped new cases from being introduced.

    For a disease with a 98% recovery rate, which was about the same as the common flu. It was NOTHING.

    you dumb motherfucker.

    And I win.


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  • From Roman@VERT/INTERSPY to Dr. What on Sun Nov 26 18:27:00 2023
    Biden is no die any time soon. Perhaps many of you will die faster.
    Don't think that 80 years is the limit. Everything you write is ageism.
    Thanks.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sun Nov 26 11:59:00 2023
    The only thing we could have done to combat covid is to eliminate travel and let it run its course. nothing we did or could have done would have made any fference.

    Which he suggested, but politicians of a certain party cried foul and would
    not let him.

    yeah they called him a racist for suggesting it.

    Yes, they did. Those same politicians were originally the ones who
    encouraged their constituents to get out and live normally, only to later
    claim that Trump didn't lock down fast enough.

    regardless, covid was here sooner than we thought. I'm pretty sure it was here the previous year in oct-nov-dec. My friend got it in december and he wa
    almost fired. We had a guy who died in early december. We're pretty sure he d it.

    We had some weird something sweep through one section of our office. Most
    of the people who went to the Dr got diagnosed as having "a flu" but we
    later wondered about it also. Luckily I was not in that section. We also
    had a lot of contractors in from another area of the country, and that
    section was the one that was most likely to be in closed door meetings with those contractors. So it could have been COVID or some other something
    that was not "native" in our germ pool.

    They were all pretty sick but none were deathly ill, except our manager.
    She got diagnosed with pnumonia. She was very sick, and also smokes, but
    was also young and pulled through... it just took her a lot longer than the others.

    usa and the rest of the world did not have an established gameplan for a pandem
    c despite having the swine flu and bird flu.

    Honestly, despite previous recent outbreaks of SARS, I believe most of the western world was very over-confident that it "couldn't happen here."

    So what Kurt said was basically the usual liberal mindless parroting with no f
    ts. And then he's saying trump gave tax cuts to evil corporations. liberals ink all companies are evil. where would we be without places to work?

    In some irony, many of the corporations that the liberals I know support
    with their buying power are some of the corporations that, while they may
    treat their employees real nice, are horrible corporate citizens when it
    comes to what they are up to in other, less-developed countries.

    So, in other words, they sound evil to me but being giant tech companies get a lot of profit out of liberal pockets.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Sun Nov 26 14:08:00 2023
    we never dealt with anything like it before.

    That's because 100% of what we were told about COVID was a lie.

    Not 100%. It was very contageous and did kill people, either directly, by worsening an existing condition, or by causing damage that eventually
    killed them.

    Those were all things that were warned about at some point, and early on.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to ARELOR on Sun Nov 26 14:45:00 2023
    I say this because a lot of people who are actually rich elites like to portra
    hemselves as poor, working class people, then vote against the interests of wealthy people and get surprised when it bites them in the ass.

    Sort of like the ones that portray themselves as middle class people who
    are "suffering from Trump taxes" but also talk about the second (or more)
    homes that they own solely for recreational purposes.

    If middle class higher taxes put in place before January, 2021, are really affecting the middle class, I must be in a lower class than that. I only
    have one house or, should I say, one mortgage. I am at least able to pay
    that, so I thought I was middle but I must not be since I did not have any additional tax burdens put on me that were put in place before Trump left office.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Sun Nov 26 14:18:00 2023
    Increase in food prices and a housing crisis is the same in
    many countries despite who the leaders are.

    united states is different. when we sneeze you catch a cold.
    we set the pace.

    Pretty much so. The only countries not having troubles right now are
    probably outside of our sneeze zone.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Sun Nov 26 14:48:00 2023
    That being said people were traveling all over to other states and spreading it.

    Spreading a disease that was so bad that you needed to be tested to see if you >had it. A disease with a 98% recovery rate.

    You had to be tested because it mimicked other illnesses and, if you had a different illness (i.e. flu), they would actually know how to treat it.

    The vast majority of people who died "from" COVID actually died "with" COVID, not from it. And usually through hospital mis-treatment and/or poor health to
    begin with.

    The people I know who died "from" COVID did just that. They were not sick until they caught COVID and died.

    The people I know who died later due to damage done to their lungs from COVID did just that.

    I don't know any of the "with" COVID car crash or shooting victims but,
    yeah, I know they were also out there.

    And don't blame "the vax" because nearly all the ones I know who died from COVID had COVID before the vax was made available. Only one died after.

    The only way to know that you had "COVID" was to take a test that has an extremely high false positive rate. This was intentional to keep the "case" numbers high and give the Elitists excuses that the sheeple would accept.

    That could also be true, but doesn't mean that people didn't die from
    COVID. It only means the Elitists saw an opportunity to exploit.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to OGG on Sun Nov 26 14:48:00 2023
    I agree the current situation does not have a single
    responsible party, but theadministration in power at a
    given moment in time is responsible for handling it and
    deserves all the blame it gets when they do a lousy job
    dealing with theaftermaths or defending the set of past
    policies that tooks us to bad situation.

    depends on how long the new or current administration is in
    power. it would be hard for newly elected leadership to deal
    with a previous government's mistakes quickly.

    I cannot speak for Spain or Canada, but many of the issues the US is
    currently facing can be traced back to the near-immediate signing of
    several executive orders shortly after the current administration took
    office. Inflation, and other issues caused by this, were then amplified
    when Russia invaded Ukraine.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Mon Nov 27 04:37:35 2023
    Re: what if biden dies
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Nov 26 2023 02:18 pm

    Increase in food prices and a housing crisis is the same in
    many countries despite who the leaders are.

    united states is different. when we sneeze you catch a cold.
    we set the pace.

    Pretty much so. The only countries not having troubles right now are probably outside of our sneeze zone.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to Dumas Walker on Mon Nov 27 08:07:00 2023
    Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    You had to be tested because it mimicked other illnesses and, if you
    had a different illness (i.e. flu), they would actually know how to
    treat it.

    They tested people with no symptoms but they still had "COVID".

    A disease that mimicks the flu is the flu and should be treated as the flu.

    The people I know who died "from" COVID did just that. They were not
    sick until they caught COVID and died.

    I know of NO ONE who died from COVID. If COVID was such a big deal, you'd think that I would have encountered at least 1 first hand.

    Most likely they died of the flu - which does kill people every year.

    And speaking of the flu, how come flu problems dropped off when COVID hit?

    The people I know who died later due to damage done to their lungs from COVID did just that.

    The only lung damage that I found was caused by hospital mistreatment.

    And don't blame "the vax" because nearly all the ones I know who died
    from COVID had COVID before the vax was made available. Only one died after.

    More people have died from the jab than "from" COVID.

    That could also be true, but doesn't mean that people didn't die from COVID. It only means the Elitists saw an opportunity to exploit.

    No. The Elitists made up COVID. Attributed symptoms of colds and flus to the COVID Narrative. Mistreated many (especialy in the hospital). Then jabbed a bunch of people with an unsafe "vaccine" which damaged people's immune system and caused them to get even sicker.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Ogg on Mon Nov 27 13:54:01 2023
    Re: what if biden dies
    By: Ogg to Arelor on Sat Nov 25 2023 08:53 pm

    are you referring to vulture capitalism? there are other
    strageties to buy-up previous companies, re-branding and make
    the same industry thrive again.


    I am not talking about vulture funds.

    Vulture funds are all about buying firms that are crashed or nearly crashed forpeanuts, then refloat them and usually sell them at a profit.

    The operations I am talking about come from foreigners who buy healthy companies that happen to be a good value for the price.

    Lots of tech, EV and AI related companies have over-heated values. Everybody had the idea you had and bought them en-masse so the current stock price does not represent the current value of the firm. There are firms out there that would not be able to pay the money back to investors in 100 to 200 years from profits. If you buy from one of these what you are doing is praying the firm will be able to multiply their profits (if they have them, which many don't) enough to justify your expense. That, or you pray to find a moron you can sell the stock for higher than you bought it, i. you pray to capitalize on a bubble. --
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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to hollowone on Mon Nov 27 14:06:19 2023
    Re: Re: what if biden dies
    By: hollowone to Arelor on Sun Nov 26 2023 07:46 am

    I believe West is more transforming than dying, but time will show.

    Once you are at your highest, any road you take will lead you down.

    Western Europe at least has transitioned to become service economies. Nobody wants to dig ore in a mine when you can sell coffee in a pub.

    The issue is if you have a stash of money you use to buy industrialized products and prime matter from elsewhere, and your economy is based on local services, you are screwed, because you will end up running out of money your providers want to accept eventually.

    It doesn't help that a lot of the services we run are artificial or are services created in response to limitations we have created. A lot of accounting offices exist only because it is nigh impossible to navigate ever changing tax regulations.

    I am not optimistic because we have historical precendents of what happens whena culture becomes so rich it can make other cultures work for them in exchange
    of money while the rich culture sits on their lazy asses. It usually ends badly.

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Dr. What on Mon Nov 27 22:42:00 2023
    Hello Dr. What!

    ** On Monday 27.11.23 - 08:07, Dr. What wrote to Dumas Walker:

    Then jabbed a bunch of people with an unsafe "vaccine" which damaged people's immune system and caused them to get even sicker.

    And now we have a tainted blood supply the next time anyone
    needs a transfusion.



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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to Dumas Walker on Tue Nov 28 21:48:22 2023
    Re: what if biden dies
    By: Dumas Walker to OGG on Sun Nov 26 2023 02:48 pm

    I agree the current situation does not have a single
    responsible party, but theadministration in power at a
    given moment in time is responsible for handling it and
    deserves all the blame it gets when they do a lousy job
    dealing with theaftermaths or defending the set of past
    policies that tooks us to bad situation.

    depends on how long the new or current administration is in
    power. it would be hard for newly elected leadership to deal
    with a previous government's mistakes quickly.

    I cannot speak for Spain or Canada, but many of the issues the US is currently facing can be traced back to the near-immediate signing of
    several executive orders shortly after the current administration took office. Inflation, and other issues caused by this, were then amplified when Russia invaded Ukraine.


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    It is interesting how as time goes by, the "start date" for when things went wrong is also brought forward. For example, in Australia, we've had a housing affordability crisis for well over a decade, but quite commonly when people talk about the crisis, they think it started just 6 months to 1 year ago.


    What happens is the bar, or what is acceptable is degraded, and people view the drop from the new, lower standard. The US has been in decline for a long long time.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Tue Nov 28 10:28:00 2023
    The people I know who died "from" COVID did just that. They were not sick until they caught COVID and died.

    I know of NO ONE who died from COVID. If COVID was such a big deal, you'd think that I would have encountered at least 1 first hand.

    I knew quite a few.

    Most likely they died of the flu - which does kill people every year.

    Nope. Influenza <> SARS.

    And speaking of the flu, how come flu problems dropped off when COVID hit?

    Because people were isolated and took other precautions, like washing their hands more and staying out of each other's faces.

    The people I know who died later due to damage done to their lungs from COVID did just that.

    The only lung damage that I found was caused by hospital mistreatment.

    I am sure there was some of that also.

    And don't blame "the vax" because nearly all the ones I know who died from COVID had COVID before the vax was made available. Only one died after.

    More people have died from the jab than "from" COVID.

    These died before. I know of many more that died from COVID before "the
    jab" was available than I do of ones that died of "the jab." I only know
    of one that died of "the jab" and they had a pre-existing condition. Their
    Dr. thought getting it was better than not but was wrong.

    They also got the J&J jab which caused so many issues they quit giving it.

    BTW, using your "from/with COVID" logic, they actually died of their
    condition WITH the jab, not FROM the jab (although I disagree with that
    logic).

    That could also be true, but doesn't mean that people didn't die from COVID. It only means the Elitists saw an opportunity to exploit.

    No. The Elitists made up COVID. Attributed symptoms of colds and flus to the
    COVID Narrative. Mistreated many (especialy in the hospital). Then jabbed a bunch of people with an unsafe "vaccine" which damaged people's immune system and caused them to get even sicker.

    No, sorry, that is not correct. The Elitists may have spouted all sorts of incorrect stuff about it after it got to the US, but it was another SARS outbreak that eclipsed its predecessors. SARS <> Influenza.

    This "COVID didn't exist" theory is even farther off the mark than the
    "COVID was man-made" mantra, which might actually be true if it came from
    the lab instead of the wet market.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Tue Nov 28 10:20:00 2023
    You had to be tested because it mimicked other illnesses and, if you
    had a different illness (i.e. flu), they would actually know how to treat it.

    They tested people with no symptoms but they still had "COVID".

    You can be a carrier/spreader of many diseases and never show symptoms yourself.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to Dumas Walker on Wed Nov 29 07:54:00 2023
    Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    Nope. Influenza <> SARS.

    Yup, it is.

    Because people were isolated and took other precautions, like washing their hands more and staying out of each other's faces.

    But isn't that what we were supposed to be doing to avoid COVID? Why did COVID cases skyrocket, while flu cases crater?

    You'd think that by taking these precautions both would have dropped.

    The fact is that COVID was just the flu and they simply changed their diagnoses to inflate the COVID case numbers.

    These died before.

    People die from the flu every year.

    No, sorry, that is not correct. The Elitists may have spouted all
    sorts of incorrect stuff about it after it got to the US, but it was another SARS outbreak that eclipsed its predecessors. SARS <>
    Influenza.

    SARS was another nothingburger and, yes, it's the flu.

    This "COVID didn't exist" theory is even farther off the mark than the "COVID was man-made" mantra, which might actually be true if it came
    from the lab instead of the wet market.

    Perhaps I should be more clear.

    Yes, COVID does exist. But we're talking about the standard Elitist play:
    1. Take a fact.
    2. Build a false Narrative around it to push your agenda.
    3. When people point out the Narrative is false, point to the fact and call them a "denier".

    "COVID" is 99% false Narrative. The only part that was true is that there's a germ. Everything else about it is false.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to Dumas Walker on Wed Nov 29 07:55:00 2023
    Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    They tested people with no symptoms but they still had "COVID".

    You can be a carrier/spreader of many diseases and never show symptoms yourself.

    Wow! COVID had a lot of carriers then. That's strange.

    But that also implies that COVID wasn't as "dangerous" as the Narrative said it was.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BORAXMAN on Wed Nov 29 11:41:00 2023
    I cannot speak for Spain or Canada, but many of the issues the US is currently facing can be traced back to the near-immediate signing of several executive orders shortly after the current administration took office. Inflation, and other issues caused by this, were then amplified when Russia invaded Ukraine.

    It is interesting how as time goes by, the "start date" for when things went wrong is also brought forward. For example, in Australia, we've had a housing
    affordability crisis for well over a decade, but quite commonly when people talk about the crisis, they think it started just 6 months to 1 year ago.

    What happens is the bar, or what is acceptable is degraded, and people view th
    drop from the new, lower standard. The US has been in decline for a long long
    time.

    I did say "many" and not "all." Our issues with increased utility and fuel prices, the latter of which also caused food and other commodities to
    spike, does indeed trace back to the time period I mentioned. The
    Inflation Rate as a whole hit its height after that point.

    OTOH, the affordability of housing may have been going up before then here, too. All I can say there is that it has got worse since early 2021.

    Speaking of bringing dates forward, the early 2000's housing (and economic) crisis in the US actually started at least in the late 1990's. Most bring it forward to paint the political picture they want painted, but a lot of the market instability (and government/business/financial practices that lead to it) started before 2001.

    One of the factors that started it all (just one of many) was the dot com bubble burst. That burst happened in 2000 and caused a crisis in
    California (especially) where people involved had spent money (that didn't exist) on large homes and other big ticket luxary items. Once they started defaulting on their loans and/or losing their non-existent money, it affected the whole country. Investors beyond Silicon Valley lost their money.

    Here, where the cost of living is usually low, the housing prices spiked
    much higher than they were worth in 1998-99 and houses stopped moving. They eventually eased back towards what they were worth during the early 2000s.

    Because several of the companies initially affected by the burst in Spring
    2000 didn't go out of business until 2001 and after, many get confused and think (or purposefully claim) that everything was great until January, 2021. The fact that the collapse was caused by events put into motion during the mid-1990s is lost on them.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Thu Nov 30 12:59:00 2023
    Nope. Influenza <> SARS.

    Yup, it is.

    Nope. The flu is caused by the influenza virus. SARS and COVID are caused
    by the coronavirus.

    SARS-related coronavirus was first identified in 2002 and resulted in an epidemic of Severe Accute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) which, ironically,
    was originally brushed off as "just another influenza outbreak."

    Because people were isolated and took other precautions, like washing their hands more and staying out of each other's faces.

    But isn't that what we were supposed to be doing to avoid COVID? Why did COVI
    cases skyrocket, while flu cases crater?

    Because the flu <> COVID. The precautions turned out to be good against
    the flu but not so much against COVID. Also, and this is big, the flu is generally seasonal while COVID was not. People who let their guard down
    once the weather got better, who mistakenly thought it was seasonal, got
    sick. That was just about the time when more contagious variants took hold.

    You'd think that by taking these precautions both would have dropped.

    Not when only one of them is seasonal, and when people got lazy when the
    usual flu season was over.

    The fact is that COVID was just the flu and they simply changed their diagnose
    to inflate the COVID case numbers.

    Nope. COVID does cause flu-like symptoms, but so do many other diseases
    that are also not the flu. These include malaria, hep C, lyme disease,
    rabies, polio, dengue, and several bacterial infections. None of these are caused by the influenza virus.

    These died before.

    People die from the flu every year.

    They don't die in the same numbers every year like they were dying of COVID.

    No, sorry, that is not correct. The Elitists may have spouted all
    sorts of incorrect stuff about it after it got to the US, but it was another SARS outbreak that eclipsed its predecessors. SARS <> Influenza.

    SARS was another nothingburger

    While SARS was a nothingburger for most of the world, it was not for the
    areas it affected. Luckily, back then, the US government was able to take measures to limit travel to the affected area, and therefore exposure,
    without near as much resistance as they encountered in 2020. So, here in
    the US the impact was minimal.

    and, yes, it's the flu.

    Nope. Like many other diseases that cause flu-like symptoms, it is not caused by the influenza virus and is not the flu.

    This "COVID didn't exist" theory is even farther off the mark than the "COVID was man-made" mantra, which might actually be true if it came from the lab instead of the wet market.

    Perhaps I should be more clear.

    Yes, COVID does exist. But we're talking about the standard Elitist play:
    1. Take a fact.
    2. Build a false Narrative around it to push your agenda.
    3. When people point out the Narrative is false, point to the fact and call them a "denier".

    Yes, since you've been claiming until this point that it is the flu, being
    more clear is probably a good idea.

    "COVID" is 99% false Narrative. The only part that was true is that there's a
    germ. Everything else about it is false.

    I won't disagree that many built a narrative around it, including crap
    about "we cannot control the spread by restricting travel to the most
    affected area (i.e. China)" despite that being proven effective with the last coronavirus epidemic. That was spun this time to be "racist" because our politicians are even more owned by the CCP than they were 20 years ago.

    The fact that there was a narrative built around it doesn't mean there was
    no pandemic, that people didn't get sick, and that people didn't die from coronavirus.

    If anything, we have a "narrative" of crap that mostly assisted Democrats,
    and an equally false "anti-narrative" that has been embraced by others.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Thu Nov 30 13:35:00 2023
    They tested people with no symptoms but they still had "COVID".

    You can be a carrier/spreader of many diseases and never show symptoms yourself.

    Wow! COVID had a lot of carriers then. That's strange.

    But that also implies that COVID wasn't as "dangerous" as the Narrative said i
    was.

    You can test positive for flu, TB, and many other diseases without having symptoms. With some of them, you may not be able to spread them without symptoms but with others you can.

    They always said it was not as dangerous to people who are perfectly
    healthy. However, they also told us a healthy person who was exposed, but
    did not show any serious symptoms, could spread it. They also said that infected persons who had yet to show serious symptoms, like the high fever, could spread it before developing a fever.


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  • From hollowone@VERT/BEERS20 to Arelor on Thu Nov 30 11:59:00 2023
    I am not optimistic because we have historical precendents of what
    happens whena culture becomes so rich it can make other cultures work
    for them in exchange
    of money while the rich culture sits on their lazy asses. It usually ends badly.

    I'd say this has already happened many times, call it slavery, feudalism, whatever.. money, food, shelter.. there were always lords and peasants.. these times are just calling the ladder with different terminology.

    I'd say there is no peak time now. just a milestone. What I find interesting that many people haven't noticed or don't comprehend is that we're now shifting between historic eras. They are usually connected to some major economic crisises and armed conflicts as a natural follow-up that can also change many borders and just like 100 years ago with two World Wars and Great Crash in the 1920s we just experience similar thing, we just don't have another WW yet...

    But that is still not the major era change I think of. Basically end of XX century and the high-tech revolution causes something similar to Industrial revolution from the end of XVIII century.. what then happened in XIX century is called industrialism.. and then what we maybe still like to call a modernism is just very well developed industrialism all of us were still born in.

    In the industrialism who had the machines and factories and was responsible for the production lines was the richest and the most influential.

    Now we live in the informational not industrial revolution and the richest and the most influential are those who possess data and know how to use it.

    And this is just the beginning.. so I don't believe that production of physical items will be the most important thing while the biggest economic value defined by today commercial value is connected services attached to already produced items.. this way production without these services generate no value and that's the dependency link.

    Ai + Robotics, Metaverse... continual redevelopment of communication technologies and interactive media are the tools to control habits.. not a bulb with a switch to have the lights..

    I don't care about the mass production that much if many things massively required yesterday, today can be 3D printed at my local scale and need easily and without all the factory/assembly line defined complexity.

    I believe global knowledge transfer management and local micro production is what may very soon come back as a part of the trend. And again who controls the information flow will redefine financial aristocracy in the XXI century and beyond.

    -h1

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to Dumas Walker on Fri Dec 1 07:29:00 2023
    Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    Nope. Influenza <> SARS.

    Yup, it is.

    Nope. The flu is caused by the influenza virus. SARS and COVID are caused by the coronavirus.

    They are the same and have always been.

    SARS-related coronavirus was first identified in 2002 and resulted in
    an epidemic of Severe Accute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) which, ironically, was originally brushed off as "just another influenza outbreak."

    Are these the same "experts" who told us that COVID was a deadly disease?

    Not when only one of them is seasonal, and when people got lazy when
    the usual flu season was over.

    But COVID is seasonal. It only happens on election years.

    Nope. COVID does cause flu-like symptoms, but so do many other
    diseases that are also not the flu.

    1. You have assumed that the information you were given is true. It's not.
    2. You have assumed that these "viruses" (none of which have been shown to exist) "cause" the disease.

    Virology has been debunked and we now know that we have been fed a pile of lies for a long, long time.

    People die from the flu every year.

    They don't die in the same numbers every year like they were dying of COVID.

    Yes, they do.

    The COVID "death" numbers are completely bogus.

    Yes, since you've been claiming until this point that it is the flu,
    being more clear is probably a good idea.

    And all you've been doing it quoting the false Narrative.

    The fact that there was a narrative built around it doesn't mean there
    was no pandemic, that people didn't get sick, and that people didn't
    die from coronavirus.

    1. There was no pandemic - that was part of the false Narrative.
    2. People got sick, but the question still is "Was is COVID?" Remember that the test used is completely bogus.
    3. People died from their own heath issues and not because they got a mythological "virus".


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to Dumas Walker on Fri Dec 1 07:32:00 2023
    Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    You can test positive for flu, TB, and many other diseases without
    having symptoms.

    That's because the test used is bogus. They've never proven that what they are testing for actually causes the symptoms.

    With some of them, you may not be able to spread them
    without symptoms but with others you can.

    Narrative.

    They always said it was not as dangerous to people who are perfectly healthy.

    That's because what they are claiming causes diease is not what actually causes it. This is there "escape" when people ask "Why didn't Charlie die from it?"

    However, they also told us a healthy person who was exposed,
    but did not show any serious symptoms, could spread it.

    And we now know that they were lying and have been lying to us for many decades now.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Dr. What on Fri Dec 1 03:56:00 2023
    Dr. What wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    Nope. Influenza <> SARS.

    Yup, it is.

    Nope. The flu is caused by the influenza virus. SARS and COVID are caused by the coronavirus.

    They are the same and have always been.

    Are you retarded, or just stupid? Either way, you're an idiot.

    If you would put aside your political biases, you could understand
    simple shit. But you don't want to do that, do you?

    Read:

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33064680/

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-vs-flu/art-20490339


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Sat Dec 2 11:04:00 2023
    Nope. The flu is caused by the influenza virus. SARS and COVID are caused by the coronavirus.

    They are the same and have always been.

    Nope. They are not the same, juast as influenza is not the same as the poliovirus or the measles virus.

    SARS-related coronavirus was first identified in 2002 and resulted in
    an epidemic of Severe Accute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) which, ironically, was originally brushed off as "just another influenza outbreak."

    Are these the same "experts" who told us that COVID was a deadly disease?

    Probably a different set. My impression was that the persons brushing it
    off as the flu were just as likely to be family doctors, or persons who had the virus who didn't bother seeing a doctor because "it was only the flu," as
    they were to be "experts."

    Not when only one of them is seasonal, and when people got lazy when
    the usual flu season was over.

    But COVID is seasonal. It only happens on election years.

    It has only happened once so far, and it extended beyond the election year.
    The epidemic caused by its cousin SARS, OTOH, didn't happen during an election year (2002-03).

    Now, if you were to ask if I believe that one side capitalized on it
    happening during an election year by initially blowing it off as nothing
    and then jumping on the other party's president when he made similar
    comments, I would agree.

    Nope. COVID does cause flu-like symptoms, but so do many other
    diseases that are also not the flu.

    1. You have assumed that the information you were given is true. It's not. 2. You have assumed that these "viruses" (none of which have been shown to exist) "cause" the disease.

    No I don't assume that. You can find the information supporting that it is
    a virus, that people died from it, etc., from sources beyond the Democrats
    and the Elite.

    I don't "assume" viruses exist because I have an education.

    Virology has been debunked and we now know that we have been fed a pile of lie
    for a long, long time.

    Since when has virology been debunked? Sources?

    Knowing now that you don't believe in viruses makes the fact that we are
    still discussing this make more sense.

    People die from the flu every year.

    They don't die in the same numbers every year like they were dying of COVID.

    Yes, they do.

    Annually they do not. Only when we are experiencing a flu epidemic or pandemic do they do so.

    The COVID "death" numbers are completely bogus.

    Not completely. Yes, if I die in a car crash, test postive for COVID, and
    get counted in the numbers, that is bogus. I have seen no reliable sources that prove this was nearly as common of an occurance as someone
    becoming very ill with severe respiratory problems, testing postive for
    COVID (as would be expected), and dying.

    Yes, since you've been claiming until this point that it is the flu, being more clear is probably a good idea.

    And all you've been doing it quoting the false Narrative.

    And all you've been doing is quoting the equally false anti-narrative.

    The fact that there was a narrative built around it doesn't mean there was no pandemic, that people didn't get sick, and that people didn't
    die from coronavirus.

    1. There was no pandemic - that was part of the false Narrative.

    Nope. There was one. How it was handled by the WHO was incompetent, and
    how many US (and other) politicians spun it was irresponsible, but that
    doesn't mean it didn't exist.

    2. People got sick, but the question still is "Was is COVID?" Remember that the test used is completely bogus.

    Nope. For some it might have been a question, especially if they decided
    not to seek medical attention, but for others it was not.

    Some of the initial tests, just like the J&J vax, were indeed not so
    accurate. However, autopsy results don't use the same test that live
    people were administering to themselves.

    3. People died from their own heath issues and not because they got a mythological "virus".

    Explain then how persons without any previous respiratory health issues,
    and who didn't even smoke, died from a "mythological virus"?

    That is just as much complete BS as Fauci's "bait the Trump crowd" claim
    that we should wear more than 2 masks at once.

    BTW, you are having this discussion with someone who did not vote for
    Clinton or Biden, and would never have considered doing so.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Sat Dec 2 11:05:00 2023
    You can test positive for flu, TB, and many other diseases without having symptoms.

    That's because the test used is bogus. They've never proven that what they ar
    testing for actually causes the symptoms.

    And yet very few people get polio now. I am assuming this is just because we've all been lucky and not because they were able to determine it was caused by a virus and were eventually able to successfully treat/prevent it?

    However, they also told us a healthy person who was exposed,
    but did not show any serious symptoms, could spread it.

    And we now know that they were lying and have been lying to us for many decade
    now.

    Again, how do we "know" this? Do you have any sources that are not just as biased, but in the opposite direction, as your typical Democrat politician?

    I have had a doctor or two that were quacks. I have also had several, including the one I have now, that I trust, and they believe that viruses
    exist and cause disease.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to Gamgee on Sat Dec 2 09:01:00 2023
    Gamgee wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Are you retarded, or just stupid? Either way, you're an idiot.

    Says the person who believed the whole mask up, close down and get the jab Narrative which has been proven to be false.

    If you would put aside your political biases, you could understand
    simple shit. But you don't want to do that, do you?

    The problem is that **you** don't realize that your whole stand on this is a political bias. So I'll echo your statement right back at you and add the fact that you can't handle being wrong.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33064680/

    Both of these sites are political, not medical, and both have been prove to be wrong. They are not sources of fact and have not been for quite some time now.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coro navirus-vs-flu/art-20490339

    All large hospitals have been compromised. They go along with the Narrative to keep their gov't money. So this is yet another untrustworthy source.

    If you are relying on these "sources" that have been lying to us for decades now, and have been proven to be lying, then no wonder you have no clue.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Dr. What on Sun Dec 3 02:34:00 2023
    Dr. What wrote to Gamgee <=-

    Are you retarded, or just stupid? Either way, you're an idiot.

    Says the person who believed the whole mask up, close down and
    get the jab Narrative which has been proven to be false.

    What makes you think that? In fact I'm just the opposite of ALL of
    those idiotic claims. More proof that you're a moron.

    Before you jump to more wrong conclusions, such as I'm a liberal..., I'm nearly as far from that as possible, if you exclude the raving lunatic
    fringe whackos such as yourself. Solidly conservative and always have
    been. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, fringe whacko.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33064680/

    Both of these sites are political, not medical, and both have
    been prove to be wrong. They are not sources of fact and have
    not been for quite some time now.

    Okay, more confirmation of nut-job status.

    Keep your BS where it belongs. Up your as$.



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Sun Dec 3 10:00:00 2023
    Are you retarded, or just stupid? Either way, you're an idiot.

    Says the person who believed the whole mask up, close down and get the jab Narrative which has been proven to be false.

    It would be one thing if that is all you are claiming.

    I mean, believing that the virus didn't originate from the wet markets and
    was man-made in their lab is one thing. China has stonewalled most
    all attempts at investigation so it makes sense that some would believe
    that.

    Believing that there was no virus at all, and that no one died from
    it (and that virology in general is completely wrong), makes zero sense and is just plain wrong... as wrong as "the narrative."


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to Dumas Walker on Sun Dec 3 09:10:00 2023
    Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    Nope. They are not the same, juast as influenza is not the same as the poliovirus or the measles virus.

    And none of them have been
    1. Isolated.
    2. Proven to cause disease.

    For all intents and purposes, they are the same.

    But COVID is seasonal. It only happens on election years.

    It has only happened once so far, and it extended beyond the election year. The epidemic caused by its cousin SARS, OTOH, didn't happen
    during an election year (2002-03).

    I think you're missing the headlines today of "mysterious disease" in China.

    No I don't assume that. You can find the information supporting that
    it is a virus, that people died from it, etc., from sources beyond the Democrats and the Elite.

    Yes, you do assume that. The "information" out there is from sources that have been proven to be incorrect and pushing an agenda. Now whether that agenda is from the Elitists has not been proven, but it does seem to go along with it.

    Since when has virology been debunked? Sources?

    I suggest starting with "Virus Mania" by Torsten Engelbrecht, et al.

    Knowing now that you don't believe in viruses makes the fact that we
    are still discussing this make more sense.

    You've overly simplified my position.

    Do viruses exist? I don't know. They've never been able to isolate one.
    Do viruses cause disease? Again, I don't know since they've never isolated one and shown that its introduction causes anything.

    I'm not the one who is insisting that the flu and COVID are viruses that cause disease. So it's not on me to prove anything. It's up to you and the "experts" to do that.

    Nope. There was one. How it was handled by the WHO was incompetent,
    and how many US (and other) politicians spun it was irresponsible, but that doesn't mean it didn't exist.

    No there wasn't. It was 100% Narrative to give Elitists an excuse to make the sheeple let them do things they normally wouldn't allow.

    Nope. For some it might have been a question, especially if they
    decided not to seek medical attention, but for others it was not.

    Then explain why it was insisted that they had COVID when
    1. COVID was never isolated (which is required to create an accurate test).
    2. COVID was never shown to be the cause of the disease.

    Some of the initial tests, just like the J&J vax, were indeed not so accurate. However, autopsy results don't use the same test that live people were administering to themselves.

    The creator of the "COVID test" publically stated that the test doesn't work for finding out if you have COVID.

    Explain then how persons without any previous respiratory health
    issues, and who didn't even smoke, died from a "mythological virus"?

    Well, let's see. We'll use my mom as an example. No respiratory health issues. Years of working in a beauty salon with women who smoked and lots of hair spray. Jees, could that be why she has COPD? I wonder.

    BTW, you are having this discussion with someone who did not vote for Clinton or Biden, and would never have considered doing so.

    That doesn't mean you weren't taken in by the scamdemic.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to Dumas Walker on Sun Dec 3 09:17:00 2023
    Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    And yet very few people get polio now. I am assuming this is just
    because we've all been lucky and not because they were able to
    determine it was caused by a virus and were eventually able to successfully treat/prevent it?

    Oh, so we want to talk about polio now.

    Well, let's see... If you look a the graph of polio cases, you will clearly see that the number of cases was already dropping **before** the vax was introduced. You will also see that the decrease in polio cases was in no way changed by the introduction of the vax. (I do have to take that back a bit. For a short period, the vax actually increases the polio cases.)

    What is very interesting is the graph of the use of heavy metal pesticides. As they increased in use, polio cases went up. And when they decided to get rid of them, polio cases went down. And today, we don't use them.

    I have had a doctor or two that were quacks. I have also had several, including the one I have now, that I trust, and they believe that
    viruses exist and cause disease.

    Then they have been brainwashed. But I don't want to be too hard on them. If they didn't push the Narrative, they wouldn't have been allows to become doctors.That plan has been in place for a long, long, long time.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to Gamgee on Mon Dec 4 07:19:00 2023
    Gamgee wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Says the person who believed the whole mask up, close down and
    get the jab Narrative which has been proven to be false.

    What makes you think that?

    Because you keep quoting the rest of the false Narrative.

    In fact I'm just the opposite of ALL of
    those idiotic claims. More proof that you're a moron.

    People who live in glass houses...

    Okay, more confirmation of nut-job status.

    Yes, it does confirm you are a nut job.

    Keep your BS where it belongs. Up your as$.

    And I win the argument.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to Dumas Walker on Mon Dec 4 07:24:00 2023
    Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    I mean, believing that the virus didn't originate from the wet markets
    and was man-made in their lab is one thing. China has stonewalled most all attempts at investigation so it makes sense that some would believe that.

    A few things to unpack here.

    1. No evidence of a virus has been shown to exist.
    2. The whole wet market, lab leak, etc. was just distraction to keep people from seeing that there was no evidence of a virus existing.
    3. But **something** happened. In the case of China, they've polluted so much of their country that it can pretty much account for any "breakouts" there. But what happened here?

    IHMO: The normal flu came in (which is mostly a problem with lower Vitamin D), combined with the false Narrative and bogus test, cause the sheeple to panic.

    Believing that there was no virus at all, and that no one died from
    it (and that virology in general is completely wrong), makes zero sense and is just plain wrong... as wrong as "the narrative."

    Beliving people died from a virus that has never been proven to exist makes zero sense either.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Dr. What on Mon Dec 4 06:44:00 2023
    Dr. What wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    Do viruses exist? I don't know. They've never been able to isolate
    one. Do viruses cause disease? Again, I don't know since they've never isolated one and shown that its introduction causes anything.

    Wait, what?

    https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-rna/fact-check-sars-cov-2-has-been-isolated-and-its-complete-genome-has-been-sequenced-idUSL1N2LS27P/

    From the article:

    However, the first argument relating to isolation is not true. There are multiple examples of scientists isolating SARS-CoV-2 (here, here, here,
    here), the virus that causes COVID-19 disease, where they also sequenced
    the complete genome (here, here, here). Pictures of isolated SARS-CoV-2 particles have been released by the U.S. National Institute of Allergy
    and Infectious Diseases (here).





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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Mon Dec 4 11:12:00 2023
    Nope. They are not the same, juast as influenza is not the same as the poliovirus or the measles virus.

    And none of them have been
    1. Isolated.
    2. Proven to cause disease.

    For all intents and purposes, they are the same.

    Poliovirus was isolated in 1909. Not only has it been isolated, its genome
    has been sequenced, and its structure has been determined. It has been determined to cause polio.

    Multiple strains of influenza have also been isolated. Influenza mutates,
    and there are multiple strains. Influenza strains have been shown to cause
    the flu in multiple animals, mostly mammals and birds.

    The coronavirus that causes SARS was isolated before 2003. That year, it
    was also shown that monkeys infected with this cornonavirus developed the
    same SARS symptoms as humans, proving that the virus causes SARS.

    The coronavirus that causes COVID has been isolated, sequenced, and its structure identified. Several partial snipits from interviews that have
    been circulated on the internet that claim otherwise have been debunked by multiple sources.

    Yes, you do assume that. The "information" out there is from sources that have
    been proven to be incorrect and pushing an agenda. Now whether that agenda is >from the Elitists has not been proven, but it does seem to go along with it.

    So they've been out to get Trump since 1909 and before? That is when some
    of the earliest "information" in question was determined. That is a long
    time to be pushing an agenda, especially since Trump was yet to be born in 1909.

    What is very interesting is the graph of the use of heavy metal pesticides. As
    they increased in use, polio cases went up. And when they decided to get rid >of them, polio cases went down. And today, we don't use them.

    But yet, people (who have not been immunized for the poliovirus) still get polio, even though "today, we don't use (heavy metal pesticides)." Heavy
    metal pesticide exposure may have caused multiple issues, including ones
    with similar symptoms and outcomes, but they don't cause the poliovirus or polio.

    I'm not the one who is insisting that the flu and COVID are viruses that cause >disease. So it's not on me to prove anything. It's up to you and the >"experts" to do that.

    If we provide you with proof, it will be dismissed as "the narrative" (as it already has been dismissed) even though much of what is known about viruses (excluding specifics about COVID) long proceeds the 2020 election.

    Basically what we have here...

    (1) An Event took place.

    (2) Members of Group A used that Event to their benefit, mixing in some
    false information in the process. Some of that info was "what was known"
    that was later found to be false, and some if it was likely on purpose.

    (3) Members of Group B have decided that since Group A lied/mislead/were
    wrong about some of the information spread about the Event, everything that
    was said by anyone that matches anything that Group A said is also wrong.
    This includes many facts that were known long before the Event.

    (4) These same members of Group B only listen to and believe sources
    (equally faulty) that support their belief that everything said by Group A
    is false, even when it comes to facts that were known long before the Event.

    Saying it is on us to "reprove" things that were long ago proven (i.e. influenca is a virus that causes disease) is like telling us we need to "reprove" that the Earth is round just because some left-wing politician said it was round so others have now decided that, because they said it was round, it must be flat.


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  • From anthk@VERT to All on Tue Dec 5 04:59:07 2023
    On 2023-11-27, Arelor <PALANTIR!Arelor@vert.synchro.net> wrote:

    Re: Re: what if biden dies
    By: hollowone to Arelor on Sun Nov 26 2023 07:46 am

    I believe West is more transforming than dying, but time will show.

    Once you are at your highest, any road you take will lead you down.

    Western Europe at least has transitioned to become service economies. Nobody wants to dig ore in a mine when you can sell coffee in a pub.

    The issue is if you have a stash of money you use to buy industrialized products and prime matter from elsewhere, and your economy is based on local services, you are screwed, because you will end up running out of money your providers want to accept eventually.

    It doesn't help that a lot of the services we run are artificial or are services created in response to limitations we have created. A lot of accounting offices exist only because it is nigh impossible to navigate ever changing tax regulations.

    I am not optimistic because we have historical precendents of what happens whena culture becomes so rich it can make other cultures work for them in exchange
    of money while the rich culture sits on their lazy asses. It usually ends badly.

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    In Spain for instance there was a big industry of coal, but burning it has no future.
    In the Southern coast everyone and his cat wants a job related to bars/tourism. We'll see how 'well' does that work with the climate change. And no, the North of Spain is not a tourist haven because, well, the Brits and Germans don't want to get
    the literal same climate they got in their countries.

    I wish my country was more like Torres Quevedo/Ramón y Cajal and less than a real-life RPG
    of a Monopoly board where the main industries are Tourism and Construction related.
    Because in a few years, the Mediterranean coast in Spain will have hurricanes similar
    to the Florida ones in the US.

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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Dec 5 07:40:00 2023
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Do viruses exist? I don't know. They've never been able to isolate
    one. Do viruses cause disease? Again, I don't know since they've never isolated one and shown that its introduction causes anything.

    Wait, what?

    *** Propaganda deleted ***

    If you actually dig into the documentation the virology hoax pretty much along the lines of:
    1. We took someone who showed symptoms and took some of his juice.
    2. We then injected that juice into the blood stream of someone who didn't show symptoms and now he shows symptoms.
    3. Oh, here's a pretty microscopic picture of the first guy's juice with some things in it. We assert (without evidence) that those things are the viruses. So it must have been those that caused the symptoms.
    4. And we have lots of people who we didn't inject the first guy's juice into, but we can see that they they have the things too, but they don't show symptoms. So we are going to call those people "asymptomatic".
    5. And why some people show symptoms, but don't have the first's guy's juice in them, and no microscopic things, is still a mystery. But they have the virus too because they show symptoms.

    We can excuse Louis Pasteur and the people of his day because they simply didn't have the equipment and controls then. But today, we should be able to isolate a virus and demonstrate, with controls, that exposure to it causes the symptoms. The fact is that they've never done that. Ever.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to Dumas Walker on Tue Dec 5 07:45:00 2023
    Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    Poliovirus was isolated in 1909.

    When they didn't have the technology to isolate a virus.

    Not only has it been isolated, its
    genome has been sequenced, and its structure has been determined. It
    has been determined to cause polio.

    Says the people who believe that viruses exist.

    Multiple strains of influenza have also been isolated. Influenza
    mutates, and there are multiple strains. Influenza strains have been shown to cause the flu in multiple animals, mostly mammals and birds.

    Again, by the people who have a vested interest in perpetuating the virus myth.

    They **claim** they have isolated it. But if you actually read the research, they didn't.

    If we provide you with proof, it will be dismissed as "the narrative"
    (as it already has been dismissed) even though much of what is known
    about viruses (excluding specifics about COVID) long proceeds the 2020 election.

    I'm still waiting for proof. Giving me links to groups who have a vested interesting in continuing the virus hoax is not proof. Telling me that something has been isolated when the research clearly shows that it hasn't
    is not proof.

    Trusting the "experts" is not acceptable anymore because too many experts aren't.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to DR. WHAT on Wed Dec 6 10:31:00 2023
    If we provide you with proof, it will be dismissed as "the narrative" (as it already has been dismissed) even though much of what is known about viruses (excluding specifics about COVID) long proceeds the 2020 election.

    I'm still waiting for proof. Giving me links to groups who have a vested interesting in continuing the virus hoax is not proof. Telling me that something has been isolated when the research clearly shows that it hasn't
    is not proof.

    Trusting the "experts" is not acceptable anymore because too many experts aren't.

    So basically we trust people who certainly are not experts who tell us that viruses are a hoax? No thank you. We've already seen how that works out
    for religious and other groups that don't believe in doctors.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Dumas Walker on Wed Dec 6 21:51:00 2023
    Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    If we provide you with proof, it will be dismissed as "the narrative" (as it already has been dismissed) even though much of what is known about viruses (excluding specifics about COVID) long proceeds the 2020 election.

    I'm still waiting for proof. Giving me links to groups who have a vested interesting in continuing the virus hoax is not proof. Telling me that something has been isolated when the research clearly shows that it hasn't is not proof.

    Trusting the "experts" is not acceptable anymore because too many experts aren't.

    So basically we trust people who certainly are not experts who
    tell us that viruses are a hoax? No thank you. We've already
    seen how that works out for religious and other groups that don't
    believe in doctors.

    I think you're wasting your time trying to discuss with, or use logical thinking with, this absolutely over-the-edge fringe whacko. Best to just ignore and laugh at such idiots.



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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Gamgee on Thu Dec 7 00:16:47 2023
    Re: Re: what if biden dies
    By: Gamgee to Dumas Walker on Wed Dec 06 2023 09:51 pm

    If we provide you with proof, it will be dismissed as "the narrative" (as it already has been dismissed) even though much of what is known about viruses (excluding specifics about COVID) long proceeds the 2020 election.

    I'm still waiting for proof. Giving me links to groups who have a vested interesting in continuing the virus hoax is not proof. Telling me that something has been isolated when the research clearly shows that it hasn't is not proof.

    Trusting the "experts" is not acceptable anymore because too many experts aren't.

    So basically we trust people who certainly are not experts who
    tell us that viruses are a hoax? No thank you. We've already
    seen how that works out for religious and other groups that don't believe in doctors.

    I think you're wasting your time trying to discuss with, or use logical thinking with, this absolutely over-the-edge fringe whacko. Best to just ignore and laugh at such idiots.


    I just blocked the fool. obviously there was a virus that a sect of the scientific community were playing with in china and it got out. I had covid twice and it's nothing i've ever had in my life. It didn't come close to killing me but I know several people who died of it. In my life I never had so many people I know die of the same illness in such a short timeframe.

    You only need a quarter of a brain to understand that covid does exist, most people have got it and not even known it, it kills some people and does weird things to some people's bodies like nothing else(blood clots and heart issues). It also shed light on the fact that we are not prepared for any type of biological threat, and such a threat spreads quickly.

    Luckily there were strains that were super contagious and less life threatening that basically allowed enough people to get anti-bodies to starve out the bad strains of covid-19. Now there's one that's been around since late summer that leaves some people with chronic bronchitis for a period of time after beating it.

    The weird thing is I've only been sick a handful of the time for decades. I'm 46 and I have not had the flu since I was 18. Now I get everything. I'm sick right now with a cold.
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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to Dumas Walker on Thu Dec 7 07:22:00 2023
    Dumas Walker wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    Trusting the "experts" is not acceptable anymore because too many experts aren't.

    So basically we trust people who certainly are not experts who tell us that viruses are a hoax? No thank you. We've already seen how that
    works out for religious and other groups that don't believe in doctors.

    And, once again, you missed it.

    I am saying we can trust the experts. The problem is that we need to use some critical thinking skills to understand who is or is not an expert. We have too many NPC's walking around with no real education, but with a bogus degree and title.

    An expert is someone who will put his sources and argument out on the table and invite you to examine things and ask questions - that will be answered.

    A so-called "expert" is someone who won't let you see the sources, won't put an argument out there, and will tell you to just trust him because he's an "expert". And how dare you question or disagree with him.

    So it should be pretty easy to determine who is and is not an expert today.

    If he got lots of time from the Propaganda Ministry... er... Mainstream media, then he's not an expert. If he got "fact checked" and blocked on social media, he probably was.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to Gamgee on Thu Dec 7 07:23:00 2023
    Gamgee wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

    I think you're wasting your time trying to discuss with, or use logical thinking with, this absolutely over-the-edge fringe whacko. Best to
    just ignore and laugh at such idiots.

    Are you Lee or Al? I have to ask because you're projecting again.


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  • From Dr. What@VERT/CPMDEN to MRO on Thu Dec 7 07:44:00 2023
    MRO wrote to Gamgee <=-

    I just blocked the fool.

    Good. Then you won't mind...

    Obviously there was a virus that a sect of
    the scientific community were playing with in china and it got out.

    Obviously you are gullible and bought the propaganda. I have a bridge in New York that I'd like to sell you.

    I had covid twice and it's nothing i've ever had in my life.

    You were told you had COVID and, due to your gullibility, were already primed to be overly sensitive about the symptoms. I suggest you look up the word "hypochondriac".

    It didn't come close to killing me

    Because it was just the common cold or flu.

    but I know several people who died of it.

    You know several people you were told died of it. Without any evidence.

    My offer on the bridge is still available.

    In
    my life I never had so many people I know die of the same illness in
    such a short timeframe.

    Yet many of us never knew anyone who died of COVID, or even with COVID.

    You must hang around with a great deal of unhealthy people.

    You only need a quarter of a brain to understand that covid does exist,

    No one ever claimed it didn't.

    Again, you've fallen for the standard Elitist tactic:
    1. Pick a fact.
    2. Build a false Narrative around it.
    3. When someone says the Narrative is false, point to the fact and claim "denier".

    Facts:
    1. COVID was never isolated.
    2. COVID was never shown to cause infection.
    3. The PCR test that showed that someone had COVID was 100% bogus.

    most people have got it and not even known it,

    So you now admit that it's not a problem.

    it kills some people and

    Hmmm... Just like the seasonal flu. And you can look that data up on the CDC web site. Since you trust the CDC, that shouldn't be a problem.

    does weird things to some people's bodies like nothing else(blood clots and heart issues).

    That's the jab for those people so stupid to get it.

    It also shed light on the fact that we are not
    prepared for any type of biological threat, and such a threat spreads quickly.

    And you are still pushing the false Narrative that only the gov't can protect us against scary things.

    I have a better idea:
    1. Stop smoking.
    2. Stop heavy drinking.
    3. Eat healty.
    4. Exercise.

    You'd be surprised by how little impact the next "pandemic" has.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Thu Dec 7 09:21:00 2023
    It also shed light on the fact that we are not prepared for any type of biological threat, and such a threat spreads quickly.

    This is the scary part for sure.


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  • From Bandit@VERT/BANHID to Dumas Walker on Mon Dec 11 01:01:28 2023
    Re: Re: what if biden dies
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Dec 07 2023 09:21:00

    I don't know honestly. I'm just looking at myself and the people close to me and I put all that in perspective.
    Was I and my family better off from 2016-2020? Are my family better off 2020-Current? I can honestly tell you that from 2016-2020,we were better off than we are now. The groceries that I bought, just checked out the same thing I got from April 2023 a few days
    ago and there was a $20 difference (and i had a $2 coupon).

    "Trump lowered the taxes on the rich!" Yes but I also paid lower taxes and paid lower on food because the rich people that
    control the food lowered their prices commensurate to their expenses.

    Biden voters will never tell you anything good about Biden and will always shift over to Trump.
    Trump voters won't STFU about the good that he did during his term and laugh at Biden's mishaps.

    I see some disparity here. Trump did a lot of good for our country, despite being hounded every day for "Russia".

    Biden can't be bothered to ask questions about his son's indictment, which is probably what Trump should've done was
    ignored the press, but you know, Every single day during the covid outbreak, Trump was up there for 3 or 4 hours telling
    the American people what he thought and his gameplans. The day Biden took office, we didn't hear a word from him.

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Bandit on Mon Dec 11 07:10:42 2023
    Re: Re: what if biden dies
    By: Bandit to Dumas Walker on Mon Dec 11 2023 01:01 am

    Biden can't be bothered to ask questions about his son's indictment, which is probably what Trump should've done was
    ignored the press, but you know, Every single day during the covid outbreak, Trump was up there for 3 or 4 hours telling
    the American people what he thought and his gameplans. The day Biden took office, we didn't hear a word from him.

    if someone asks joe biden a question he either walks out or he gets sundown angry and says something stupid.

    his pres secretary runs off too.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BANDIT on Mon Dec 11 11:04:00 2023
    I don't know honestly. I'm just looking at myself and the people close to me a
    d I put all that in perspective.
    Was I and my family better off from 2016-2020? Are my family better off 2020-Cu
    rent? I can honestly tell you that from 2016-2020,we were better off than we a
    e now. The groceries that I bought, just checked out the same thing I got from
    April 2023 a few days
    ago and there was a $20 difference (and i had a $2 coupon).

    I can honestly say the same. My expenses were lower on things I must have,
    and I could more afford things I "liked" to have. Now, the only times I
    can say my overall expenses are down is if I only shop for groceries, only
    pay for power-water-etc., and don't drive anywhere beyond the grocery
    store. Even then, they are not always less.

    As for things beyond expenses, we seem to be moving back towards being
    under potential threat from Russia, China, and terrorists than whe were
    during the 2016-2020 time frame.

    "Trump lowered the taxes on the rich!" Yes but I also paid lower taxes and paid
    lower on food because the rich people that
    control the food lowered their prices commensurate to their expenses.

    A lot of people who chant that mantra also seem to have a lot more
    disposable income than I do, so I am not sure why they are complaining --
    i.e. I would consider them rich.

    Biden voters will never tell you anything good about Biden and will always shif
    over to Trump.
    Trump voters won't STFU about the good that he did during his term and laugh at
    Biden's mishaps.

    They will sometimes make some weak arguement that the environment is better
    off now (although those EVs take a lot of natural resources that are not "clean" to mine), but yes they mostly shift to how having Trump as
    President will make them feel.

    I see some disparity here. Trump did a lot of good for our country, despite be
    ng hounded every day for "Russia".

    And a hoax at that.

    Biden can't be bothered to ask questions about his son's indictment, which is p
    obably what Trump should've done was
    ignored the press, but you know, Every single day during the covid outbreak, Tr
    mp was up there for 3 or 4 hours telling
    the American people what he thought and his gameplans. The day Biden took offi
    e, we didn't hear a word from him.

    A lot of real Trump fans will tell you that he needs to engage the press
    even more (because I believe they live off his every word), but I agree he should have kept his mouth shut a lot more than he did.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Tue Dec 12 06:02:44 2023
    Re: Re: what if biden dies
    By: Dumas Walker to BANDIT on Mon Dec 11 2023 11:04 am


    I can honestly say the same. My expenses were lower on things I must have, and I could more afford things I "liked" to have. Now, the only times I
    can say my overall expenses are down is if I only shop for groceries, only pay for power-water-etc., and don't drive anywhere beyond the grocery
    store. Even then, they are not always less.

    As for things beyond expenses, we seem to be moving back towards being

    i'm getting pinched from all sides. every single bill i pay and every single thing i buy has gone up in price and keeps going up.

    offi
    e, we didn't hear a word from him.

    A lot of real Trump fans will tell you that he needs to engage the press even more (because I believe they live off his every word), but I agree he should have kept his mouth shut a lot more than he did.



    the press made a lot of money off trump.then when he was gone there was a huge void. for some reason they don't really point out how bad biden is most of the time. i wonder if their masters want biden in power. no i dont wonder.
    that's what it is.
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Tue Dec 12 09:43:00 2023
    I can honestly say the same. My expenses were lower on things I must have, and I could more afford things I "liked" to have. Now, the only times I can say my overall expenses are down is if I only shop for groceries, only pay for power-water-etc., and don't drive anywhere beyond the grocery store. Even then, they are not always less.

    As for things beyond expenses, we seem to be moving back towards being

    i'm getting pinched from all sides. every single bill i pay and every single ing i buy has gone up in price and keeps going up.

    My combined utility bill is the one I am feeling the most. I can buy
    cheaper substitutes for most other things, but that is somewhat of a
    monopoly so it is difficult there. It has gone up at least 33%, and that is with me conserving on some things more.

    Putting gas in the car hurts more, but at least it has gone back down some
    and I can somewhat control how much I drive (and I don't live in
    California!).

    the press made a lot of money off trump.then when he was gone there was a huge >oid. for some reason they don't really point out how bad biden is most of the >ime. i wonder if their masters want biden in power. no i dont wonder. >that's what it is.

    Although I don't doubt your conclusion, it could also be that Trump always provided them with some new sound bytes to go on about. Reporting yet
    again that Biden has mumbled, stumbled, or got lost while walking off a
    stage becomes old news after a while. It is more news now when he is completely coherent.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Tue Dec 12 09:44:00 2023
    if someone asks joe biden a question he either walks out or he gets sundown an
    y and says something stupid.

    his pres secretary runs off too.

    IMHO, she is worse than Biden. She holds press conferences where she
    should be answering questions. At least Jenn Psaki tried to answer them,
    even if we maybe didn't like the answer, but this lady closes down pressers
    on a regular basis when she doesn't like the questions asked.


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  • From Nopants@VERT/CITBBS to Dumas Walker on Tue Dec 12 16:35:00 2023
    Re: Re: what if biden dies
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Dec 12 2023 09:43 am

    again that Biden has mumbled, stumbled, or got lost while walking off a stage becomes old news after a while. It is more news now when he is completely coherent.

    Wait, has this happened!? Please provide news source.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Nopants on Tue Dec 12 19:09:57 2023
    Re: Re: what if biden dies
    By: Nopants to Dumas Walker on Tue Dec 12 2023 04:35 pm

    again that Biden has mumbled, stumbled, or got lost while walking off a
    stage becomes old news after a while. It is more news now when he is
    completely coherent.

    Wait, has this happened!? Please provide news source.

    Multiple sound bites of Biden mumbling and stammering and being incoherent have been in the news. These are a couple of examples:
    https://youtu.be/d6CifkY3BGc?si=PZEmrzEJ7uNsXgxt https://youtu.be/Zg25440ledA?si=Y2rRMu71p3PcfFf- https://youtu.be/AQ_ToKxYnQ8?si=d81v-rmt5J-WUqEn

    Nightfox

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Wed Dec 13 09:30:00 2023
    again that Biden has mumbled, stumbled, or got lost while walking off a
    stage becomes old news after a while. It is more news now when he is
    completely coherent.

    Wait, has this happened!? Please provide news source.

    Multiple sound bites of Biden mumbling and stammering and being incoherent hav
    been in the news. These are a couple of examples: https://youtu.be/d6CifkY3BGc?si=PZEmrzEJ7uNsXgxt https://youtu.be/Zg25440ledA?si=Y2rRMu71p3PcfFf- https://youtu.be/AQ_ToKxYnQ8?si=d81v-rmt5J-WUqEn

    Thanks. Nopants sort of proved my point. It has happened so much it is old news now and Nopants had no idea it has happened, and multiple times.


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  • From sbdstech@VERT/SBDSTECH to Nightfox on Wed Dec 13 20:26:05 2023
    Re: Re: what if biden dies
    By: Nightfox to Nopants on Tue Dec 12 2023 07:09 pm

    Re: Re: what if biden dies

    It might be growing up in New York and drowned in sarcasm for 49 years of my life but I'm fairly certain that he was looking for clips of Biden speaking coherantly .. :) Just my .02 .. peace
    - Vito

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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to sbdstech on Wed Dec 13 22:17:12 2023
    Re: Re: what if biden dies
    By: sbdstech to Nightfox on Wed Dec 13 2023 08:26 pm

    It might be growing up in New York and drowned in sarcasm for 49 years of my life but I'm fairly certain that he was looking for clips of Biden speaking coherantly .. :) Just my .02 .. peace
    - Vito
    I thought so too...

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to SBDSTECH on Thu Dec 14 09:28:00 2023
    It might be growing up in New York and drowned in sarcasm for 49 years of my li
    e but I'm fairly certain that he was looking for clips of Biden speaking cohera
    tly .. :) Just my .02 .. peace

    I didn't even catch that. :D You might be right.


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